the people who like rms are wrong because rms is demonstrated trash, the people who don't like rms are wrong because they read articles about what he wrote that are factually incorrect. thus we proceed

@sneak trash or no, circulating a public document that calls someone a "dangerous force" with a "dangerous ideology" for having the bad manners to be a stinky nerd who wears his kink on his sleeve is some serious WTF.

@alrs rms is a creep and has regularly gone over the line and trying to normalize it by calling it "kink on his sleeve" is an insult to kinky people everywhere.

also nobody who eats his own toejam in public should be in any position of leadership regardless of how you feel about sjws

@sneak I'll take your word for it. I don't see the danger "old, icky fat man hits on women," neither as a deed nor an ideology. If he's a criminal, someone should press charges. If he's not in control of himself he should be committed. Perhaps if the full-text of the Open Letter About a Dangerous Man was simply "ewwwww!" I'd find it more honest.

@alrs there are tons of things one can do that makes one a creep and makes others feel alienated and unwelcome that aren't criminal but are total disqualifiers for being in any position of leadership.

@alrs the "danger" you aren't seeing is causing drama (which harms the fsf and free software) and alienating people (which harms the fsf and free software)

@sneak "danger" is an argument to put him on a no-fly list or bar him from setting foot within 500ft of an elementary school." In reality the sentiment is: he's gross, he's annoying, we don't like him. The authors of that letter are drama queens of a higher magnitude than #rms, elevating their aesthetic displeasure to a solemn warning about the dangers of some guy they resent. "Profiles in Courage" it is not.

@alrs @sneak Tbh I always thought of Stallman as kind of a dick, but also always that he’s done good stuff. The comment about how “voluntary pedophilia (!) doesn’t harm children” took that to another level though, and I personally wouldn’t associate with somebody who had views like that (even if he retracted the statement for PR reasons.) The main thing I read today seems like people in the org were upset that he went back on the board or whatever -

@northernlights @sneak Stallman did not promote or condone rape or underage sex.

@alrs @sneak I’m not quite sure what to make of this quote, during a convo about a pro-pedophilia party in the Netherlands: “I am sceptical of the claim that voluntarily pedophilia harms children. The arguments that it causes harm seem to be based on cases which aren’t voluntary, which are then stretched by parents who are horrified by the idea that their little baby is maturing.”