wish #sokpop games introduced native #linux support... 🤞

@governa Why are you begging for proprietary software to be ported and corrupt GNU/Linux more than it already is?

I wish they stay far far away unless they're looking to release their games as free software (as in freedom) and in that case they're welcome.

@Suiseiseki Wouldn't that be great? Who knows, maybe they'll make it happen. I am a big #FOSS proponent but proprietary software isn't inherently evil in my humble opinion. For instance, #Steam is great! So are #Vivaldi, #GOG, #inSync, #Plex, #Authy, etc. I am Ricardo, not Richard. 😉 In the end I'm for choice, whatever floats your boat.

@governa >I am a big #FOSS proponent
GNU/Jihad against "FOSS"!!!

>proprietary software isn't inherently evil in my humble opinion
Your opinion is wrong, proprietary software is evil incarnate.

Imagine a chef that prepares food.
This chef refuses to tell you the recipe and usually even what ingredients he uses - because the food is proprietary.
If you're allergic to anything, or prefer it without the salt - too bad.

Half the time the chef slips in poison - usually not enough to kill you, but enough to cause you harm.

With hard work, you can reverse engineer the food to figure out what ingredients the food is made out of and if it's poisoned - but the potential poisoner often demands that you agree to not reverse engineer, so you don't find out which ingredients he uses.


You can keep eating the food with blind faith in the chef and get poisoned 50-100% of the time, or you can stop being a sucker and go to GNU/Cafe and get some decent food that is checked to be free of poison.

>#Steam is great! So are #Vivaldi, #GOG, #inSync, #Plex, #Authy
Those programs are great at taking the users freedom and being proprietary malware.

Sure they're really convenient, but only a fool values convenience above all else.


>In the end I'm for choice, whatever floats your boat.
Where did I say I'm going to stop you from shooting your foot?

I'm here recommending that you stop shooting your feet, but you're telling me you like shooting your feet?

@Suiseiseki @governa I actually like this take, can't wait for you to grow up and start hating RMS thou

@cafkafk >can't wait for you to grow up and start hating RMS thou
Hate is not a thing you "grow up" to do - you grown down when you hate.

I see a goal to strive for unflinchingly with enemies to eliminate on the way - there's no need to hate.


I have done extensive research on what rms has done and has allegedly done and I cannot find anything he has actually done to hate him for.
There's many nasty allegations, but if you actually look for the facts, most of those allegations are untrue.

@Suiseiseki yea not having this debate anymore lol, what free software are you writing, how much money do you give to the FSF, what are some actions you are taking to promote free and open source software?

@cafkafk >what free software are you writing
Plenty really, I have a fairly large cgit repo.

>how much money do you give to the FSF
That's not important, but I am a member.

>what are some actions you are taking to promote free and open source software?
I'm focusing on eliminating "open source", as that just leads to proprietary software: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.html

I also sometimes look into {L}GPL violations and document the violations so the copyright holder can get in there and ensure freedom.

@Suiseiseki
> I'm focusing on eliminating "open source"
based

> Plenty really, I have a fairly large cgit repo.
based, you should make it easier to find

> That's not important, but I am a member.
valid

> I also sometimes look into {L}GPL violations and document the violations so the copyright holder can get in there and ensure freedom.
valid

guess I'll hope you change your mind then

@cafkafk Why do you want me to change my mind?

Going against rms entirely, would be going against free software really.

What did rms do that you hate him for?


Please tell me and I'll soon be able to determine if it is the truth.

@Suiseiseki
> Please tell me and I'll soon be able to determine if it is the truth.
I have done so many times to people in bad faith so it's a bit tiring but here you go (this is just a fraction of the criticism that can be raised):

https://pleroma.cafkafk.com/notice/APYfTW84yJdg9Sw0sS
https://pleroma.cafkafk.com/notice/APYpyEpGM3sf0LQAL2
https://pleroma.cafkafk.com/notice/APYijLTgdovdc2HSIS
https://pleroma.cafkafk.com/notice/APYivxozuEcs0aGW5A https://techrights.org/wiki/Look_How_Many_F%27s_They_Give

@cafkafk >https://techrights.org/wiki/Look_How_Many_F%27s_They_Give
Those are allegations against the FSF, not against rms, but I'll look into them.

As for the rest, well:
>To use Pleroma, please enable JavaScript.
So you need to give me a date range, so I can look up your posts.

@cafkafk

>OctoGNU timeline
These are complaints about GNU programs being developed on github.
I don't like that either, but you can really clone and view most of github still without running any proprietary software, so there's no grave software freedom issue for me.

I did leave a mental note to look into such projects later.

>Telemetry in Mozilla Firefox
Telemetry is nasty, but telemetry code and even GPLv3'd malware can be free software - but that doesn't mean the software does good things.

GNU icecat has the spying removed.

>The Future of Linux
Linus is not a GNU project, so I have no idea why this is listed.

I'm pretty sure the "monitoring" things are disabled in GNU Linux-libre.

>* Clownflare Breaks the Web-- one of the greater scourges online- think the FSF is up to fighting it?
The FSF does not use clownflare.

rms has posted about it as well: https://stallman.org/cloudflare.html

>* The Web is Broken Anyway-- thank Mozilla and Google. >Don't expect a lot of criticism of Google
https://stallman.org/google.html
https://www.gnu.org/proprietary/malware-google.html

>https://techrights.org/2020/08/30/fsf-censorship-mailing-list/
Seems to be about censorship on the libreplanet mailing list, which is organized by the FSF, but in that case a mailing list volunteer would be doing the censorship and not the FSF.


The page mentions a lot of things that are not really relevant to software.

@cafkafk >https://pleroma.cafkafk.com/notice/APYivxozuEcs0aGW5A
This is about the FSF, not rms

>Hmm, librejs is on github?
That's a mirror, the source is here: https://www.gnu.org/software/librejs/
Anyone can upload free software to github.

>Hmm, Gnu-IceCat is on github?
That's a mirror, the source and binaries are here: https://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/

@Suiseiseki
> This is about the FSF, not rms
so you agree he is nothing more than a puppet head that could be gotten rid of anyways?

@cafkafk The FSF has no sense of direction without rms and it would be utter foolishness to get rid of someone who fights for freedom without wavering.

You want to see him gone because of issues you made up - I'm quite disgusted with you.

@Suiseiseki
> You want to see him gone because of issues you made up - I'm quite disgusted with you.
you didn't respond to my actual critiques only critiques of others and your answers never actually engaged with anything,
so you
1. haven't even addressed any of my concerns
2. called me disgusting

yet you keep calling me hateful?

now get lost, I saw this coming when we started

@cafkafk >1. haven't even addressed any of my concerns
I analyzed each of the sources you provided to me and listed what my conclusion was.

For that long post, lxo addressed all your concerns, so I have nothing more to add than to what he wrote.

>2. called me disgusting
I didn't call you disgusting, I noted that I was disgusted by the sort of comment you made about wishing to cancel someone over nothing.

>yet you keep calling me hateful?
I'm attacking your points rather than you.

I'm not actively trying to cancel someone and you're the one who wrote about hating rms.

@Suiseiseki
> I'm not actively trying to cancel someone
neither am I

> I didn't call you disgusting, I noted that I was disgusted by the sort of comment you made about wishing to cancel someone over nothing.
< You want to see him gone because of issues you made up - I'm quite disgusted with you.
the mental gymnastics on display here mirrors those of RMS defenders in general, I'm not interested in engaging with people that don't reside in reality enjoy your narcissistic cult

@Suiseiseki
> I noted that I was disgusted by the sort of comment you made about wishing to cancel someone over nothing.
And let me be clear I never said I wanted to cancel him, you're still projecting this strawman social justice warrior thing over me but it just doesn't fit with the reality.

You're literally just fighting strawmen and being defensive to the laughter of everyone onlooker which is excactly my problem with the FSF in general, at this point it's just a narcissist cult making a laughing stock of free software, and even your whole larpy “gnu jihad” is just another aspect of that.

GNU is largely over at this point, the only interesting projects have made very clear their stance against RMS, ultimately I think many important people have left the FSF and GNU related projects over the FSF childlike antics and inability to take responsibility. Not to speak of all the women that find the FSF reprehensible that the FSF have scared off from free software entirely because they try to position themselves as the only vanguards of a movement they continually fail to propegate.

The FSF and RMS have censored, have ignored the wishes of the community many times, have held no respect to the members by electing RMS without a vote, and those that were censored when they were sad of his departure now think that the FSF is reformed just because the chief coward is back.

RMS is little more than a walking embarasment, living of speaking engagement money and spreading fear of free software from his absolute deranged world views and inability to take responsibility. The FSF and RMS are a sad joke that I hope fade to obscurity, if I was a microsoft employe I couldn't have constructed a better false flag than the FSF and RMS, it's shameful.

@Suiseiseki The FSF has become the PETA of free software, a sad joke corrupted by greed, hubris and narcissism, and a nostalgia for a time when they still had relevance (a time that never really came). They also reject that obvious truth that the linux kernel has been the flagship model of free software, and in their incompetence managed to sour that relationship till it sank.

@cafkafk @Suiseiseki if the flagship of free software is being surrounded almost exclusively in big corpos i think the plot has been a bit fucked beyond recognition

@icedquinn @Suiseiseki I agree, literally, and it happened on the FSFs watch, they were to busy eating stuff from their toes and circlejerking over the purity of debian to get anything done

@cafkafk @Suiseiseki people like to hate on them but one has to observe that the GPL license has always been maligned ... by corpos.

they only spoke positively of it during a twilight where they learned they could cheat it with a proxy server or a DRM chip. suddenly when that option is gone, the GPL was bad again.

there's not a whole lot a think tank can do when an infinite supply of neoserfs happily sell themselves to everyone under the sun.

@icedquinn @Suiseiseki @cafkafk it's really sad to see the free/nonfree sides turn into the anticapitalism/procommerce war. it's really dumb. you can be commercial and respect freedoms. the agpl (nonfree!) is a great example of this damage spreading in the foss world.