@yuki_is_bored@bsd.network problem is not stopping, discord, as much as anyone h8s it is really popular, so you can leech activity from there.
Problem is not having an alternative that may or may not be bridged to it
@enigmatico@fedi.absturztau.be @yuki_is_bored@bsd.network so like matrix, xmpp, irc another alike here
@enigmatico @Ninmi @replikvlt @yuki_is_bored You are right, but that said, at least some level of awareness of the social impact of software needs to be brought to the general public, otherwise any popularity that free software may acquire will be a fragile one. Promoting moral values does little good if people have no way of pursuing them, but on the other hand, if you provide such a way without saying what the destination is, nothing will stop them from straying.
@tirifto @enigmatico @Ninmi @replikvlt Honestly, I think Matrix are on that trajectory.
They're most likely the best contender for having feature parity as Discord.
That said, from my experience using Discord since literally 2016, nobody uses voice chat on public servers.
Sure, there are times like during big events but on a lot of public servers, they just don't for most of the time.
Most of the time the Discord experience is the same as Slack, just without the free msg archive limits.
@tirifto @enigmatico @Ninmi @replikvlt For Slack-like alternatives that are mature, we already have Zulip (https://zulip.com), Mattermost (https://mattermost.com) and Rocket Chat (https://rocket.chat).
If you want to have voice chat, just throw a Jitsi link and you're done or install a plugin (https://integrations.mattermost.com/jitsi-plugin/)
Sure, you have to run a server but it's preferable than being stuck with a startup whose survival depends on VC fund
As a long term solution, Discord is bad for FOSS.
@yuki_is_bored @tirifto @enigmatico @Ninmi @replikvlt
mattermost is spyware, rocketchat is buggy garbo, and all of them have to go through a centralized push service run by the developer of the mobile app (matrix included) if people want to use them in realtime on mobile, which is pretty much 100% of the userbase these days.
@brad @yuki_is_bored @enigmatico @Ninmi @tirifto @replikvlt
in apple land then everything has to go via APNS, and only the app publisher is allowed to push notifications to the app, so every federated server has to send notifications for all users of the app back to the publisher's server to be proxied to apple, to be sent to the phones.
this is why i can't have notifications for toot replies or DMs or stuff
@brad @yuki_is_bored @enigmatico @Ninmi @tirifto @replikvlt
there is precisely zero good free software for use on a mobile device
@brad @yuki_is_bored @enigmatico @Ninmi @tirifto @replikvlt
i meant system software
@brad @yuki_is_bored @enigmatico @Ninmi @tirifto @replikvlt unlike most free software advocates, i am not a free software *zealot* and i will not sacrifice my own effectiveness simply to avoid nonfree software. i use the best tool for the job because idgaf about licenses because copyright is an illusion promoted by the state