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tools can be both free software and proprietary at the same time: the github CLI is one such example. VS code is another. these work primarily (or only) with closed, proprietary service platforms.

@sneak yes and yet it's actively hostile to self hosting and federation and decentralization. What's the use of having the code then? Signal is formally free software while it voids some of the freedoms, which makes it also proprietary and centralized.

@zeh it's proprietary and centralized by design. the web is in fact proprietary and centralized around custom apis and centralized webservers and databases.

it's fine if you think signal should federate and shouldn't be centralized, but signal made those choices for reasons and stands by them, so criticizing them should be done on that basis (it doesn't federate) instead of throwing around proprietary like a slur. signal doesn't make any nonfree software. microsoft/github do.

@sneak the web is a set of protocols, not software, and that makes it an entirely different matter. in any case, anyone can set up webservers and databases so i don't really get why you'd call it proprietary and centralized. specific sites and platforms and the so-called web2.0 go a lot more in that general direction, yes.

@sneak re. signal: i'm criticizing the choices that they made and the reasoning they presented, yes. self-serving and just plain bullshit. didn't use any slurs, just characterized signal as proprietary bc it actually quacks like a duck. maybe it's a platypus, whatever. microsoft and github and such also made choices, that doesn't mean we should accept those choices.

@sneak really how so? Vscodium seems to work pretty well, and from a dev tool perspective it's wayyyyyyyyyyy better than a fully proprietary toolset.

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