what are the best desktop ethereum wallets that don't phone-home? every one i've tried so far is some slickass electron bullshit that immediately connects to microsoft, the developers, etherscan, and a bunch of other bullshit.

@sneak can you not use ethereum as a wallet? I just use a bitcoin node as a watchonly wallet and a trezor for signing. no third party required.

@sneak isn't this the whole point of blockchains? running your own node so that you don't have to trust any third party? Otherwise you're slow database maintained by a handful of oligarchs. I never understood the ethereum culture of relying on centralized entities such as etherscan. seems fragile.

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@jb55 also no, that is not "the whole point of blockchains". most people (99.99%+) just want to send and receive payments, and are not interested in any way whatsoever in participating in the operation of financial infrastructure.

@sneak if they don't care about the code then they can just use paypal if they want to send and receive payments? self sovereignty and censorship resistance is of course the whole point. otherwise it's just cargo-culting bitcoin without understanding why it was built.

@jb55 there is no such thing as self sovereignty, and paypal doesn't offer accounts to everyone.

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