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one piece of missing data i've not been able to find anywhere, because everyone is so carefully guarded about saying anything authoritative:

given that we *know* vaccinated people can get and spread covid, the question is: are vaccinated people *less likely* to get covid? are they *less likely* to spread it to to others once they are infected?

it seems that most public policy was operating on the assumption that if you are vaccinated you are less "dangerous". is that true?

@sneak I don’t know if there’s any data to back it up, but if the claim that symptoms are lessened if you’re vaccinated, it seems like you would be more likely to spread it since you would be out and about in public and around people longer before you started to feel sufficiently sick.

@sneak There are many studies done world wide that show you are less likely to get it. I don't know if your likelihood of spreading it changes once you're infected however.

It's also overwhelmingly proven that if you're vaccinated and get it, the symptoms / illness are far more mild.

@PeterSanchez the latter is widely known but irrelevant to my question. the fact that vaccinated are less likely to die is not sufficient basis to deny unvaccinated access to public spaces unless they are more likely to spread

@PeterSanchez the first only studied people who were hospitalized.

@sneak i think the basic principle is if infected your less likely to get to a infectious sickness level at all, and if you are, the time period you are infected is less because you will recover faster

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