@dsfgs @sneak probably doesn't boot, can't update again or initialize itself after a first install / wipe

@dsfgs then the os update will not install.

@sneak
Sounds a bit like feudalism. Thanks #Apple for subjecting ppl to #digitalAbuse.

@dsfgs that's not what abuse is. apple's boot security is worlds better than the tpm crap available on the pc side

@sneak @dsfgs then they improved something because it was shit a few years ago

@woodrow
We were speaking from the unencrypted surveillance part, but appreicate your insight into other aspects.

Partly related, we've been noticing a #post2016 trend, including in Firefox and linux distros to do #connectivityChecks regularly — some implementations unencrypted!

Using something like #tcpdump can help identify these. Of course at the hardware level, such software solutions can't help, one'd need other hardware intercepting/anonymising(?) the traffic, if possible.

@sneak

@sneak @dsfgs is it possible to prevent the info leak by connecting to a wifi that has VPN on it? (Assuming the VPN can be trusted)

@caliw
Ok, we weren't sure how they were connecting.

The danger is be for things to connect like #AmazonSidewalk, or you will have no router and connect direct to the #5G tower or #spaceExplorer's (memecoiner's) shartellite network.

@sneak

@caliw
If the VPN is behind the WiFi and not running on the Mac itself then yeah that cannot be bypassed.
@sneak @dsfgs

@woodrow i dont believe that to be true, what evidence do you have for that?

@sneak
I did not test it myself and am trusting the person who posted it. He was testing an M1 Mac mini shortly after they were released.

@woodrow the contentfilterexclusionlist misfeature was ripped out shortly thereafter because we screamed about it. no more intentional vpn bypasses from apple at the moment.

@woodrow it was only in the betas and maybe one short lived GA release iirc

@sneak Good to know.