The USA will throw you in jail for speaking at conferences in countries they don't want you speaking in.
Land of the free, eh?
@sneak In Germany do they throw you in jail when you break the law? I generally have no idea but I assume there are prisons and penalties for breaking laws in Germany as well. Not sure why this is controversy.
FWIW: I personally hate the US legal system, the LAPD (really any PD), etc. but that's from personal experience seeing/being targeted because I grew up poor with brown skin.
In this case, the dude was told no, chose to go anyway. Woops.
@PeterSanchez using laws as moral justification is thus invalid
@sneak No moral justification, but laws govern society. Because someone doesn't agree that murder is illegal does not make it OK to kill people. My point was, it's not an "American" thing (land of the free, eh?) - It's a every country on the planet imprisons people for breaking laws thing.
As an American I'm first in line to trash, criticize, etc. America laws, foreign/domestic policy, culture, etc. But the original toot is totally misleading. No, it's totally incorrect.
@PeterSanchez murder is a violation of human rights of others. many many many laws exist which prohibit things that harm no one and have no victim, and are simply tyrannical control. you are using false equivalence. many laws are inherently unjust and may be broken without moral issue. many laws (such as the prohibition on murder, which you cite) are just and murdering people is also immoral.
you're intentionally conflating just laws and unjust laws for the sake of argument.
@sneak No, I'm saying our personal moral compasses do not decide which laws we obey and which we don't. Ask Richard Ramirez of he felt killing was immoral. Whether or not we agree with a law does not determine if we can break it or not.
@PeterSanchez lol everything hitler did was legal. have fun with your bootlicking.
@sneak No everything he did was not legal (thus the many prosecutions after the war) but what's funny is we think the same thing, just disagree on whether the dude was a dipshit or not for breaking the law after not getting permission to speak at the conf in N. Korea. As for bootlicking, hell I'll try anything once.
@sneak Completely agree, but that's a totally different topic.