@r000t kicking out rms who is trash and a terrible leader, from a leadership position (which he is demonstrably terrible at) is in no way related to or congruent with the destruction of free software. in fact it is the opposite as his association with fsf is actively harming fsf right now which is why he had to resign in the first place.
@r000t you are arguing something totally different then, which is not the claim you made. if you are worried about the slippery slope or that this is some sjw submarine plot, claim that, but it's not: rms needs to go because rms is shit at his job and is shitty to other people.
@r000t ps: you are free to use gpl v2/3 yourself forever.
@sneak
Yeah but a lot of projects say GPLv3 or later.
So, push out a v4 with nebulous definions, and then bully companies who say 3 or later into enforcing them. Companies that switch from 3 or later, to just 3, will be accused of taking explicit action against marginalized blah blah blah
Maybe it's a bit crazy but did we expect any of this madness ten years ago?
@r000t you don't get to choose what licenses other projects use for their code. also, re ten years ago, see my latest toot re jwz
@footjamfan @r000t there's no reason to do that, software licensed "gpl-3 or later" is always available under gpl-3.
@footjamfan @r000t people's rms kevin bacon number does not make their predictions about the future any more or less valid :P
@icedquinn @footjamfan @r000t lol we are talking about copyrights here which are legal fictions invented by the state and only enforceable by state violence anyway. you can tone down the revolutionary rhetoric and remember that you can always just pirate the codez
@sheetposter @r000t right now the kiwifarms instance is batting 100% at never producing anything of value. next time this happens i'm muting the instance instead of just the user.
>kicking out rms who is trash and a terrible leader, from a leadership position (which he is demonstrably terrible at) is in no way related to or congruent with the destruction of free software.
Kicking out rms for being a terrible leader would be an excellent idea. However nowhere in the letter is that idea described. As him being a terrible leader is not the motive, one wonders what the motive is.
Mob
Personal Vendetta of OSI
Corporate Money
All of the Above
Oh, and btw, if “free” software can kick people out, maybe change the name to something more accurate, like “Curated” Software. “Walled Garden” Software. “Microsoft 3.0 Software” (Google being Microsoft 2.0).
@search_social free software refers to your freedoms to use and modify it. it does not refer to any right you have to participate in software-producing organizations. you're free to fork; there is no guarantee anyone else will accept your patches or even talk to you. you seem to be conflating the two.
indeed, FAANG wouldn't do free software at all if they couldn't ignore contributions at will. good luck patching out chromium spying upstream.
>it does not refer to any right you have to participate in software-producing organizations
Ah, a little Freudian Slip there. Naturally as I was talking about Free Software you should have been talking about “Free Software-Producing Organizations”. But it seems your hindbrain realized that OSI’s behavior indicates they are not in any way a “Free Software-Producing Organization”, and edited your statement before it came out your fingers to a “Software-Producing Organization”. A category that would include, e.g. Microsoft, Apple, Oracle, Amazon, etc.
And that’s fine, there’s nothing wrong with being a Microsoft clone if that’s what OSI wants. But Microsoft gets neither donations nor respect and OSI then deserves the same.
@snow
Yeah this looks like the case of an autist being picky about language, pointing out that language sucks, not realizing that modern journalists intentionally craft language
Literally "16-17 is a country-specific implementation issue" worded very very very awkwardly. Imagine losing your job at the FSF for being autistic.
And that only mattered once he went against the cancel cult.
@coyote @sneak
@sneak
You are technically correct, the best kind of correct.
That said, I believe that for the most rabid people demanding his resignation, the current RMS drama is nothing more than a proxy. If it succeeds, the FSF board will have changed and shifted enough that, imo, the next step would be to push out a GPLv4 that says "no nazis", similar to https://thufie.lain.haus/NPL.html